Dear Ram,

 

Mike: Thanks so much for your insightful words.  Now, I'm wondering where does "experience" fit if it's also passing.  Why did we incarnate in the first place? 

 

Ram:  Well, it depends on who ‘we’ is.  If ‘we’ is the Self then we didn’t incarnate and there is no ‘first place.’  It is the purpose of Vedanta to help people see that there is no incarnation and therefore that all the problems that go along with it are not legitimate.  Experience is irrelevant to the Self. 

 

On the other hand if ‘we’ is a person, a body/mind entity, then experience plays a part in the quest for freedom but only in this sense: any experience is only as spiritually valuable as one’s ability to interpret it.  And the meaning of one’s experiences ultimately depends on one’s understanding and one’s values.  And one’s values depend on who one is. 

 

So the question of experience always comes back to the one who is having experiences…the experiencer.  If the experiencer does not know that it is the Self then incarnation is always a problem.  Why?  Because the vasanas do the interpreting.  Vasanas means your conditioning, your past, all the notions and ideas that you picked up as you worked your way through life.  And since the vasanas have developed during the time when you didn’t know that you were the Self…that is to say when you were spiritually ignornant…they ‘interpert’ experience for you in terms of pleasure and pain, likes and dislikes.  Because the vasanas are always changing and in conflict with each other, the ‘person’, the ‘we’, is buffeted unceremoniously from (emotional) pleasure to pain and then back to pleasure and off to pain again, ad infinitum.  This leads to a lot of confusion…which should motivate one to inquire…because people do not want to suffer these ups and downs, these contradictions. 

 

Most of the people offering advice in the spiritual world are telling people that the way out of samsara is to seek some sort of ‘transcendental’ experience or ‘state’ that lasts forever.  And they promise that this experience can either be gained by some practices or through the ‘grace’ of a master.  But as we know these experiences, this ‘grace’ never lasts.  And since epiphanies are almost always pleasurable a vasana for them develops and the person becomes an addict of ‘spiritual’ experiences.  And he or she, the ‘we,’ jumps out of the worldly trap into a spiritual snare.  A trap is a trap whatever name you give it.  

 

So what is the way out?  The way out is to see that you are not an incarnated person, a ‘we.’  This is where the whole problem begins.  But how to do that?  It is hard because there is no thought that one has thought more frequently or more consistently than the thought “I am so and so. I come from someplace.  I am this body. I am these feelings.  I am what I experience. Etc.”  As long as this thought is there life is going to be uncertain.  So this thought has to be replaced by the thought that is actually a clear reflection of who one actually is: I am the observer, limitless awareness. 

 

There is no better experience than the removal of the thought “I am a person.”  It is a very heavy burden.  And when it is lifted one’s spirit soars.  When it is lifted and replaced with the truth, ‘I am awareness’ one’s ‘state’ is permanent because the Self is permanent.  And whatever experience one is having is satisfactory because it is known for what it is: a temporary play of Consciousness in the form of the vasanas. 

 

To get rid of this notion that you are a limited being you have to relinquish the belief that you have not experienced enough.  You have to turn your back on the seductive idea that the experience to end all experiences is just around the corner.  Believing in experience is like believing in jackpots.  When you give up on experience there is only one other path available…the path of understanding. 

 

If ignorance is the problem then experience will not solve it because experience is not conscious.  It can not tell you how to interpret it in such a way that you realize that you are limitless Awareness.  There is a strange notion that when one permanently experiences the Self the intellect is switched off for good and you just remain forever as the Self in some kind of no thought state.  The fact is that the intellect keeps right on thinking from womb to tomb.  God gave it to us for a good reason.  Clear logical practical thinking is absolutely necessary if you are going to crack the identity code.  It is called inquiry.  You want to think before realization, during realization and after realization.  Realization is nothing more than a hard and fast conclusion that you come to about your identity based on direct experience of the Self.  Only understanding will solve the riddle.    And understanding comes from people who understand and who have a valid means of knowledge at their disposal.  So to be qualified for enlightenment you need to be a seeker of knowledge.  This seeker is in everyone and can be cultivated by the relationship with a proper teacher.  This why we don’t need India, although it is a fine atmosphere for satsang.  We need only to sit down and have a discussion.  If you are convinced that understanding is the only way out then the teachings will set you free…assuming you can assimilate them correctly. 

 

Anyway, this is something to think about.  I could go on and on but a friend is coming to take me out for breakfast and I have to stop the word factory. 

 

Om and Prem,

 

Ram

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jim:

 

I'm not going to be able to call as planned prior to this weekend.  I'll attempt a call on Sunday, and if that doesn't work for you, I'll set up a better time next week.  

As far as India goes, right now I'm inclined to come and see you in PortlandIndia sounds magical yet sitting in a coffee house can be done anywhere.  I may still want to come to India after seeing you, I'll leave that for a later decision.

 

Aloha,

 

Bear