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Science Is Mithya
Markos: Good morning, Sundari, I see we may have a slight misunderstanding… I agree with what you write, not because it’s logical or even because some scripture says so… but because it is obvious! After more than thirty years of enquiry it is obvious(!) to “me” (let’s not play with words). You therefore need not try to convince me.
Sundari: I am not trying to convince you or play with words, Markos. We never engage in game-playing and we are not interested in being right. We simply teach Vedanta, which is not a hard sell. You are either qualified for it or not, no matter how many years you spend “studying” it. I responded to your questions the way you asked them. Your use of words certainly indicated to me (and to James, who read my replies to you) that you were trying to use science as a means of knowledge to explain Vedanta because you are not yet clear about the distinction between satya and mithya.
Markos: That is not what I asked, however. What I asked was, how we can meet those in science on their own terms? Call me crazy for wanting such a thing but there it is. In science the question of sentience is considered the big or difficult question. All I was asking was if you or James had any reference (not scripture, which is seen as dogma) to show that consciousness is beyond brain, that is all. ☺
~ Love, Markos
Sundari: If you had written your question as you did above, the thrust of your inquiry would have been clearer but we would have given you the same answer: To what aim and for what reason? As I said in my previous email to you, scientists are limited by their epistemology. There is no way perception and inference is going to reveal consciousness to them. But as I said, there is no need to do so because consciousness needs no proof whatsoever that it exists. The problem stems from the fact that the brain depends on consciousness but consciousness does not depend on the brain. Consciousness is reflected in the brain but they are in different orders of reality, that of the real and the apparently real. The brain, like science, is mithya, and consciousness is satya. What interests me is why you care what scientists think. About the topic of consciousness, they are ignorant. They will never accept Vedanta pramana. Why waste time thinking about them? There is absolutely no point in trying to get any mind that is not qualified to understand Vedanta, particularly not scientists, who, for the most part, are totally invested in their limited means of knowledge as the only means. And even if you could convince them, to what end? It would be pointless because unless one understands what it means to be awareness it is just another intellectual idea in the mind.
~ Om and prem, Sundari