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Moksa Ain’t in Samsara, Moksa Is Freedom from Samsara
Rick: Wow, that was amazing, thanks so much for clearing things up for me.
Daniel: There ain’t nothing more clarifying, purifying and satisfying than Vedanta!
Rick: You know, I searched the spiritual world for a couple of years. I find that the teachers are just morons, egotistical as hell, claiming their enlightenment, etc. ☺
Daniel: Isvara obviously had your back, kept you out the puddles of enlightenment sickness and off the laps of the spiritual porn-star gurus who lurk in them.
Rick: If I’m awareness, that means the jiva is whole and complete, doesn’t it?
Daniel: If you are awareness, which you are, that would mean you are free of the jiva altogether. The jiva will always be limited, Rick. But you are not the jiva. You are limitless awareness that remains free from Rick and his experiences.
Rick: Sometimes I experience the bliss of “non-seeking” when I recognize awareness is beyond me, so I can’t experience it.
Daniel: Correct, awareness cannot be objectified by the jiva. The jiva can only get rid of ignorance, which in return reveals its true identity as awareness. Though it’s not an experience but an understanding, it does offer the jiva an experience of fullness, a confidence that shines steady no matter what life dishes out.
The object doesn’t know the subject, it’s the subject that knows the object. In other words, Rick doesn’t know awareness, awareness knows Rick. Contemplate this.
Though we can say awareness is “beyond” the jiva’s perception, it actually isn’t beyond anything. This is because reality is non-dual and there is only you, awareness.
Rick: The only thing that bugs me is that, more often than not, the jiva wants to experience something. I recognize this just keeps me in samsara. I have to find confidence in the knowledge that I am beyond all experience.
Daniel: Correct. The operative word being “confidence.” This confidence will be grounded as you continue to apply the teachings.
Correct, experience will just keep you in samsara. Samsara is nothing but a hamster wheel of experience. There is no freedom in samsara. Moksa is freedom from samsara.
Rick: So moksa is just self-knowledge, isn’t it?
Daniel: Correct. Moksa is discriminating the self from the not-self. Through discrimination, the jiva, the individual under the spell of self-ignorance, understands that it is actually the self, limitless awareness, and not the person it thinks it is. This knowledge allows the jiva to live free in this apparent reality. This means that the jiva is not bound by his or her conditioning.
When the jiva’s vasanas are rendered non-binding and the sense of doership has been destroyed, then one can say that he/she is liberated.
Rick: I’m sure a lot of jivas don’t know this.
Daniel: Yup, very few know this.
Rick: Also, I see that people who don’t know this ALWAYS look for experience, whether it is for security, fame, pleasure, you know, all sorts of worldly things.
Daniel: Correct, experience is the only thing that people are conditioned to seek and obtain. Actually, people don’t know anything else other than experience.
Rick: I’ve given that up quite some time ago. I’d say I’ve got a pretty pure mind.
Daniel: You are fortunate to have seen the hollowness of object-chasing.
Rick: I’m just looking in places where I can't find, like going into the dark without a light. If I just only converted my wanting to experience to a wanting to know, I’d be free of everything, wouldn’t I (since I’m the self)?
Daniel: Shifting your attention from experience to knowledge is exactly right, Rick. Self-inquiry directs our attention from the object (experience) and places it on the subject, you, the factor that knows and is free from the experience.
Yes, you, the self, are triguna-atita, free of the gunas, free of everything.
Rick: So no experience that makes you say, “I’ve got it,” just discriminating?
Daniel: You “got it” when you no longer want it. When self-knowledge is firm you no longer feel a sense of lack or need to seek. Correct, discrimination is your golden and only ticket out!
Rick: It sounds like a piece of cake, and I just know that’s what I need to do. It actually makes my jiva feel whole and complete, which I never thought it was.
Daniel: It’s a piece of cake when the mind is at peace, sattvic. That’s why the jiva wants to make peace of mind its goal. Correct, each time the jiva “clicks” that it is awareness, a sense of whole and completeness floods the subtle body. Good for you, Rick.
Rick: I understand the discriminating, that the self is beyond all. It apparently creates maya, Isvara, the jiva, the gross body, that the self is the jiva but the jiva is not the self, that the self is pure consciousness, and maya is made of apparent matter, etc. but often I didn't know what to do with it.
Daniel: There is nothing to do, only something to understand. Understanding (self-knowledge) does the work.
Rick: Knowing that you’re actually the self is very freeing.
Daniel: The self’s nature is freedom, and because you are the self, you are free.
Rick: I don't have to remember it since I'm always beyond all experience, correct?
Daniel: Correct! And also because you are never not present. When are you, awareness, not available? You are always available and ain’t going anywhere. And even when Rick does “forget,” it’s fine too. With practice he will just re-identify again as you, awareness.
Rick: I think I see now. I tried to attain moksa within samsara, but I was always beyond samsara! I’m beyond all experience, so the jiva can’t find me there. It makes sense.
Daniel: 100%! Moksa ain’t in samsara, moksa is freedom from samsara.
Rick: It’s just very logical knowledge, I feel.
Daniel: Vedanta is totally just logic and direct investigation!
Rick: Let me know what ya think.
Daniel: I think that you’re doing fantastic. Continue to do exactly what you’re doing. Expose your mind to the teachings whenever possible and continue to discriminate.
You’re welcome to write to me anytime.
~ Much love, Daniel