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Like Rotting Flesh Off a Corpse
Nate: I have been reading about the jiva/jagat/Isvara topic. I can negate the jiva because nothing belongs to it (everything is “owned” by Isvara), so if I’m seeing clearly, “not my will but thine.”
Daniel: Spot on. Also, you can negate the jiva because the jiva is an object appearing in you, awareness.
Nate: Then “I” can negate Isvara because the creation depends on me (the self), but I don’t depend on creation…
Nate: …which brings me to me (in understanding only, for I am always awareness).
Daniel: Boom! Spot on!
Nate: Now, I know this is very simplified, but it seems to do the trick. I’m really starting to understand more here. It’s like everything is dropping off, sort of like rotting flesh off a corpse or if that is too gruesome, the mirror is getting clean (mind, not me!).
Daniel: Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication! Yes, it’s the mind that defogs, not you. Good for you, Nate! “Like rotting flesh off a corpse.” This is a great metaphor and perfectly captures the effects of self-knowledge. Your inquiry is clearly paying off.
Nate: So I am left with myself as ordinary, actionless awareness, and the mind itself is resting in me. I hope this makes some sense.
Daniel: It makes perfect sense.
Nate: I know I don’t ask questions, more like mini-statements, but I’d just like some clarification here because this “seems” huge.
Daniel: It’s huge because your seeking is over. Continue to expose your mind to the teachings so the knowledge becomes firm. Take a stand in awareness as awareness (nididhyasana).
The last stage of self-inquiry is self-actualisation. Once the knowledge is firm, one sees everything from the point of view of awareness first, second as the jiva, and one never confuses the two again. This is discriminating the self, you (satya), from the objects that appear in you (mithya) at all times. Self-actualisation is the consistent, total application of self-knowledge to one’s life.
This is where there are no longer any questions or confusions about anything. The mind rests peacefully in the self regardless of what arises and subsides in it, i.e. it is no longer conditioned by the gunas, as all ignorance is gone.
You’re right on-track, Nate.
Nate: Thanks for the response, Daniel. I decided to look at the Isvara teaching because before I was just living simple and practising discrimination, and so I think it was decided for me (by the self), not that the self decides; anyway, to have a look from a different angle, as a devotee rather than a disciple of Truth. This way is, in my opinion, a slightly more beautiful slant because one enjoys being let go of and truly leaving things to God, plus I strongly feel “I” need both the bhakti and the knowledge (I know full well they are one and the same). Love is knowledge-is-truth-is-me-is-you, etc., etc.
Thank you, Daniel, and I would love to come to a retreat sometime, somewhere. I could probably manage Holland or Germany next year, God willing. God bless you, namaste.
Daniel: My pleasure, Nate. It delights me to hear your clarity. You’re welcome to write to me anytime. With regards to retreats, yes, it would be great for you to attend a satsang with James.
~ With love, Daniel