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Your Inquiry Is Clearly Fruiting. Yum.
Paula: Hi, Daniel, glorious day again. ☺ I meant to talk to you about this when I saw you, but that didn’t happen, so I thought I’d put it down here, and perhaps we can discuss, if necessary, on Sunday. But then everything in that sentence is incorrect, because I don’t talk, think or see or anything. I had all sorts of questions stored up for when I see you.
Daniel: Spot on! You, awareness, are speechless, thoughtless and sightless. You are totally actionless and remain free from all actions. But we need not to name it as incorrect, but rather just recognise, understand, it for what it is, understand that it’s from the viewpoint of the jiva and though it’s not actually real, you still acknowledge the existence of the apparent jiva and its apparent movie.
Paula: I had all sorts of questions stored up for when I see you, but then I realised they are questions of the jiva, and since I’m not the jiva they are irrelevant.
Daniel: Brilliant. You’ve totally unlocked the shackles.
Paula: I came across this satsang by Ram, To Manipulate or Not to Manipulate, and it had some thought-dissolving “revelations,” which I suppose I had on the edge of my understanding but now seems to have come front and centre.
Daniel: Your inquiry is clearly fruiting. Yum.
Paula: I’ve been listening to and reading scripture for endless hours, and then it comes: “…the whole creation – which is actually not there, so how can it be intelligent? – comes into being,” and Creation “…seems to be intelligent because of its proximity to awareness, but it isn’t,” etc.
Daniel: I’m not quiet sure of your statement here, but I’m sure we can clarify this on Sunday. Creation theories are just creation theories. It’s a complex topic that often receives way too much attention than what it deserves. As jnanis our focus is not so much on the “why” but rather on freedom from the “why.” Perhaps this link helps to clarify this point.
Paula: So all the karma yoga and dharma and the gunas, vasanas, etc. are all just leading errors. Nothing is happening and it really IS all just apparent – it’s all just busywork for the jiva, who seemingly has a built-in desire to do something.
Daniel: Spot on! Isvara has some seriously perverted wit! ☺
Paula: I suppose knowing this, it’s still worthwhile to cultivate sattva and manage the gunas and take a karma yoga attitude to life because that seemingly results in a peaceful day-to-day life, which is pleasant for the jiva.
Daniel: One hundred per cent correct. At the end of the day the teachings and its applications (karma yoga, triguna-vibhava yoga, nididhyasana, etc.) are for the jiva, not for you, awareness. Once you, awareness, have realised your freedom from the jiva, your time can then go into making the jiva’s ride as snug as humanly possible. Besides, what else is the jiva going to do with its time?