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Deep Sleep State Is the Causal Body
Rick: From the passage you gave, based on the words, punctuation and the use of parentheses, these appear to be pairs of equivalents. Are they essentially the same?
Microcosmic causal body = personal subconscious.
Rick: Jiva = avidya.
Sundari: No, avidya is the ignorance of the self that belongs to the jiva.
Rick: Deep sleep state = no mental activity.
Rick: Isvara = macrocosmic causal body in deep sleep.
Sundari: Correct, but not in deep sleep; all three are equivalent.
Rick: Prajna = awareness operating as the jiva experiencing the macrocosmic causal body.
Sundari: Correct, awareness experiencing its own nature, or bliss, i.e. absence of objects, because all vasanas are dormant, so no activity. The only objects present in deep sleep are ignorance and nothing, which is experienced therefore it is something.
Rick: Prajna = deep sleep state.
Sundari: Prajna is a name that refers to awareness under the spell of ignorance, identified with the causal body.
Rick: Prajna = bliss of awareness minus the knowledge.
Sundari: Prajna is awareness unaware that it is blissful awareness, experiencing the bliss of awareness minus knowledge, i.e. it does not know it.
Rick: Bliss of awareness minus the knowledge = ignorance.
Rick: Macrocosmic causal body = deep sleep state.
Sundari: Correct. This is because the deep sleep state is where everything is resolved and goes back to its seed form.
Rick: Also, the first sentence of the second paragraph throws me a little: “The macrocosmic causal body remains in deep sleep because it is the deep sleep state.”
Sundari: Yes, the macrocosmic causal body, or Isvara, “remains” because it is always present whether the jiva is there or not. Even though the gross, subtle and microcosmic bodies disappear for the deep sleeper, the gross body is still visible to other waking entities, or viswas.
The subtle body disappears in deep sleep state; so does the microcosmic causal body (personal subconscious), which belongs to the jiva. The deep sleep state (defined as “no mental activity”) is the same for everyone because everyone’s personal subconscious, or microcosmic causal body, is subsumed into Isvara, the macrocosmic causal body, during deep sleep. Prajna is awareness operating as the jiva experiencing the macrocosmic causal body, i.e. the deep sleep state, or the bliss of awareness minus the knowledge, which is ignorance. The gunas are still there in the macrocosmic causal body but they have no effect because the subtle body of the individual is not there to be conditioned.
The macrocosmic causal body remains in deep sleep because it is the deep sleep state. Although the nature of both the jiva and the causal body (or Isvara) is awareness, both the jiva and Isvara are inconstant factors. Jiva is inconstant because self-knowledge removes the notion that it is limited, revealing its true nature to be pure awareness. The causal body, or Isvara, is inconstant because (so the scripture tells us) its role as Creator is only relatively eternal in that it ends at the end of the kalpa.
~ Om and prem, Sundari