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Maya: the B#tch Fools Everyone!
J: I do not know if this is relevant, rather it’s more of an intriguing thought.
Daniel: Any thought that’s not in harmony with non-dual thinking (reality) or that does not add value to one’s self-inquiry is an intriguing thought – or more accurately said, an intruding thought. Mithya is mithya regardless of how subtle or “mystical” the topic may seem. If your goal is moksa then this is totally not relevant.
J: When we die, it is just the body that dies; the atman remains.
Daniel: Yes, only the body dies, but you, non-dual awareness (atman), remain.
If you are everything that is (which you are), then where is there to go? If you are not born (which you are not), then are you subject to death?
Taking a stand in awareness (atman) as awareness (atman) is the next step.
Shifting one’s identity from the time-bound jiva (i.e “J”) to the limitless awareness that you truly are is where the spiritual work awaits. Attachment to/as the decaying jiva is hardwired, and therefore to unshackle this tiring misidentification issue consistent, vigilant inquiry is required. Consistently chipping away at ignorance and coming back to your true self is hard work.
J: We get people who claim to be in touch with the “dead.” However, even if this the case, since it is only the body that dies, not the conscious state, are these people really in contact with the atman of a person?
Daniel: I think you’re referring to “spiritual folk” or mediums who claim to communicate to the subtle body after the gross body has kicked the bucket. Either way, it’s not important in light of self-inquiry.
What’s important is this: you, awareness, are not a state. All states (waking, dream, sleep) appear to/in you. You are the factor/subject that knows all states (objects). The same applies to the three bodies (gross, subtle, causal): these are objects that appear to/in you.
If this is a non-dual reality – which it is – then who is there to be in contact with? If you are awareness – which you are – are you not already always in contact with yourself?
YOU ARE this one essence that remains in connection with/as everything whilst simultaneously remaining free from your self-projected forms. The entity named “J” is a self-projected object known to you. You are free of J and his apparent story. This is the point.
J: I get the feeling this is dodgy ground, but it is interesting nonetheless.
Daniel: Yup, a ground totally not worth entertaining if you’re goal is liberation – liberation being freedom from all grounds.
J: Many thanks for your reply.
“If this is a non-dual reality – which it is – then who is there to be in contact with? If you are awareness – which you are – are you not already always in contact with yourself?” I like it.
I am now trying not to try, but just keep it simple, letting Vedanta do its work.
I now know, thanks to your help, that there are no flakey notions, everything is solid and grounded.
I do believe my hardwiring is nearly eroded. However, I still may have the odd aberration.
Daniel: This misidentification issue is universal one and is so damn hardwired. Maya sure is the most intelligent thing next to self-knowledge; the bitch fools everyone!
Keep at it, J!