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Subject-Object, Full Stop
Hein: Hello, brother Daniel. I hope this note finds you well and that the jiva is vertical and comfortable.
I noticed the recent thread on the Non-Doodle page about the gunas and deep sleep, and had some thoughts that I wanted to share. Since I am a fledgling and not well-versed in the Sanskrit nomenclature, I didn’t want to post but rather get your artful perspective to see if I am on track.
During the waking state, when I am doing my inquiry (i.e. discriminating everything as objects – including the jiva doing the inquiry – and running the yogas) I become aware of this “field” which I identify as “that” to which all of the objects are known, i.e. “me.” But I then realize that this is just a “reflection” of me, for if it can be identified, then it is indeed an object. So again, I see this “field of is-ness” as really just a reflection of self. The “knowing” of this (i.e. “knowledge”) is the dilithium crystal. I suppose it could be likened to blind faith in that there is no experience to be achieved (such as a field of is-ness) but rather the rock-solid, unshakable knowledge that I am indeed the self.
Daniel: Spot on.
Hein: With this in mind, I understand that any questions I had with regard to deep sleep are coming from the jiva. In other words, the jiva is wondering where that “field of is-ness” is during deep sleep. Of course that question cannot be answered from the place in which it is asked. Since self can only be known and not experienced, from that place (knowledge) deep sleep is seen for what it truly is… a transient object that rises and falls, comes and goes and is known to me. Ultimately, it’s the same thing for the gunas.
Daniel: Spot on again.
Hein: Someone once asked me: “If you are the self, and the self is ‘that from which everything arises,’ then why is it that you cannot tell me what the winning lottery numbers are?” To this I said, “It’s simple. All objects are illusory, and one object cannot know another object. So you, the jiva (the object that wants to know the lottery numbers), could never know that, like a sweater cannot know a chair.
Daniel: And again.
Hein: With regard to the recent inquiry on the Non-Doodle page about the gunas not conditioning the deep sleeper, would this reasoning not apply? “Everything” is an object, and this includes the gunas “and” deep sleep. And since “all” objects are known to me… well… you know. ☺
Daniel: And ya hit it again!
Greets, brother, discriminating the discriminator (jiva) from you, awareness, shows that you’re anything but a fledging. I’ve got to serve you with the bad news here: it’s game (seeking) over. All that’s left to do is continue to flex that nididhyasana muscle: the constant application of self-knowledge (what you already know) to every situation until the fruit of total ease is solidified. This is your sadhana from now till Hein kicks his mortal fossil. I’m reminding you of this because it’s easy for the jiva to want to continue searching.
“If it can be identified/objectified then I know it’s just a reflection of me. And like an image in a mirror, its reflection never sticks.” Identified objects = reflection. And reflections never stain me, awareness. Great observation, Hein.
“There is no experience to be achieved (such as a field of is-ness) but rather the rock-solid, unshakable knowledge that I am indeed the self.” I cannot add anything to the this already perfectly summed conclusion but simply confirm my initial pointing to nididhysana.
With regards to the most recent post on deep sleep, etc., again, you’re spot on: the gunas too are just objects known to you, awareness. What’s more to work out?
All objects are the same size. Or we can say that “all thoughts are the same size.” The laptop in front of you is no different to the deep sleeper or to the guna that colours in each of the object examples.
I’m lazy, so prefer focusing my attention on that which does not change, that which is real (i.e me). I can’t be bothered about the never-ending rise and fall of objects (gunas).
I like to keep inquiry super simple: subject-object. Full stop.
There are objects (mithya/gunas/states) and there is me, the one and only constant subject (satya). Let the jiva politely attend to its small duty (object). But let all focus be on firmly stationing the mind in the subject as the subject whilst understanding the implication behind this. Objects serve only to validate my freedom from them, which in return allows the jiva to enjoy them that much more whilst following its svadharma. Following my svadharma whilst understanding my freedom from svadharma is what it’s all about.
Hein: I love it. “Subject-object. Full stop”!! Said solid, as always. I appreciate you, Doodleji. Here’s to flexing that nididhyasana muscle!!
~ Much love and as ONE
Daniel: Flex on!
Easy ease, Heinji.