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Enlightenment Does Not Make Jiva Perfect
Sundari: I am not attached to what people think of me, although no one likes to be judged, speaking as a jiva. As the self, who cares? Everyone judges and projects until they do not anymore. We are both used to it, as we have this problem with people fairly often. It is very difficult for anyone who is not self-actualized to realize that the jiva is never perfect, nor can it be. Of course it has its preferences, why would it not? Desire that is not opposed to dharma is no problem. Ramji and I have complete freedom to follow our true nature with regards to absolutely everything, no fine print. We live and behave according to what is right for us, nobody else. We always take each other’s relative needs into account, but as we have non-dual love, there are never any behavioural expectations. We are never disappointed in each other.
Sally: I am just now understanding from our time together that the jiva must constantly “polish” itself despite the fact that one has self-realization/actualization. It’s becoming clear to me it’s not a guarantee that once one’s true nature is understood the jiva is automatically a dispassionate being. Believe it or not, somehow I thought that was part of the equation.
Sundari: Your understanding of what it means to be self-actualized is not correct. It is definitely a signature quality of moksa to be dispassionate about the jiva. If you cannot be, you are not free. That does not mean as the jiva you do not take intelligent action to gain certain results, but you are unattached to the results because you trust Isvara and you know there is nothing to gain or lose by getting or not getting what you want. I utilize Isvara’s laws to get what good health so that I have peace of mind, no other reason. You know how hard it is to remain sattvic when you are not feeling good. But it is completely incorrect that you must “polish” the jiva to be free of it. You only need to see it and understand it in light of self-knowledge, not in the light of your likes and dislikes. How can you polish something that is mithya, not real and inherently imperfect?
We never try to “polish” the jiva, there is no need. We accept our relative nature as it is and only make sure that binding vasanas that stand in the way of moksa remain non-binding. We never try to change or censure ourselves. If things pop up that irritate or bind, we dissolve them instantly in the knowledge, knowing whatever they issue, it is mithya. We are totally dispassionate about the jiva, but it still exists. It does not disappear with moksa. So we take care of it to the best of our ability but also don’t take it too seriously. All jivas are a mixed bag and flawed. Our jivas are no exception. We relate to you and everyone as the self, but if you are not ready to do the same with us, because you think you are a person and see us as people, you will judge us according to your level of understanding and conditioning.
~ Love, Sundari