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The Cosmic Fires
Karen: Hi, Sundari and Ramji. I really would like to see more of the DVDs of James. Would you please send me the upgrade hard drive with all of his teachings? It helps me a lot to see what is real and what is not. It is good to know and see that it is not so mysterious as some teachers want to make believe. I am now five years with a person who realised who she was through the books of Alice Bailey. In her books there is a lot of teaching about the Plan, the Cosmic Fires and the Hierarchy.
Sundari: All due respect to your teacher, but in reality there are no such things as the Plan, the Cosmic Fires and the Hierarchy. In maya anything is possible, however. One of the three orders of reality is called pratibasika, or the dream state. It means something is real for you if you believe it is. That does not make it real for anyone else.
The self, non-dual awareness, is the subject, and the world, or the apparent reality, is the object. The apparent reality is caused by maya, ignorance, apparently veiling the self. It makes the objects seem to be real, in this case the Cosmic Plan, etc. Your teacher actually believes these things are out there, but they are only objects in her mind. She is projecting. They are so real to her that she thinks they should be real to everyone else. Liberation, moksa, is freedom from the mind and its projections. Unless you can remove the projections, you will not be free to appreciate your nature as ever-free awareness.
Vedanta teaches two other orders of reality: vyavaharika, the empirical reality, which is perception of objects without the interpretation of the vasanas, and paramartika, the non-dual, the witness beyond the interpreting perceiver.
Karen: The individuality can become a planet.
Sundari: I have no idea what you mean by this nor does Ram. This sounds like New Age mumbo jumbo.
Karen: It helps me to know that there is no becoming.
Sundari: You have this correct. There is no becoming, because you are already the self. Self-knowledge removes the ignorance of your true nature, thus revealing it to be whole and complete, non-dual, unchanging, limitless awareness. Becoming is a word that is not suitable for self-inquiry.
Karen: Still, there seems to be change and progress.
Sundari: The best change and progress is the removal of the ignorance of your true nature as awareness. In the apparent reality (maya) nothing is real, i.e. everything changes and does not last, it has a dependent reality on you, awareness. There is no change or progress in awareness. That is why it is the only thing that is real. Maya, which is what makes the unchanging appear to change, causes the illusion of progress.
Karen: In the book Thinking and Destiny it is even said that we can have perfect physical bodies.
Sundari: I do not know of this book; it sounds like the title of the typical New Age book available in any bookshop that makes unsubstantiated assertions. It is ignorance. There is no such thing as a perfect body; this is a fantasy. How perfect is it if it dies? The body is not real, it is an object in you, awareness. You are the knower of the body. It is inert and only appears to be alive because the light of awareness shines on it. I think people want to believe this nonsense because they cannot accept the fact that the body is little more than a waste tube full of all sorts of noxious stuff.
Karen: I believe we can control our destiny by thinking from the right level. I suppose there is some truth to that, on the relative plane. I am really glad to know that Isvara plays a significant role to what happens.
Sundari: As the jiva you have limited free will and very limited knowledge. Isvara has unlimited free will and unlimited knowledge. You can perform the right actions for desired results, but you will never be in charge of the results, only Isvara is. Thinking from the right level would be thinking from the point of view of awareness, although that is very bad terminology, because there are no levels to the self. This means that you know you are awareness and all objects are in you, i.e. only apparently real. From the point of view of awareness, there is no such thing as free will and nothing ever happened.
Karen: Up to now my questions have been answered by the DVDs. At this moment the only question remaining is about meditation. James said that when you know who you are, there is no need to meditate, because you live as consciousness and see everything as it is.
Sundari: When you know that you are awareness, you are the meditation and there is no meditator, i.e. no doer. People who are still meditating 10 hours a day think they are doers and believe that by meditating they will gain the self. This will never work, as the self is not an object. It is their true nature, so how can they gain it? No action is capable of giving you what you already have; all actions are limited and will never produce an unlimited result. When you know who you are, every moment is an epiphany and life is a meditation.
Karen: Still, people are doing their best to meditate 10 hours a day. Where do they go? Is it fantasy or is there a world to know when you are not conscious of your senses?
Sundari: They don’t go anywhere; there is nowhere to go. Meditation helps to purify the mind and prepare it for inquiry. It can give you an experience of the self, such as nirvikalpa or savikalpa samadhi, but although these are profound experiences, they are just experiences and they end. Nor do they remove ignorance of your true nature. Only self-knowledge is capable of doing that.
Karen: Is it the reflection of the self as silence and bliss that they are aware of?
Sundari: Yes, meditation and silence can help the meditator become aware of the bliss of awareness. As stated above, meditation is an aid to purify the mind, preparing it for self-inquiry. It is not capable of removing ignorance of one’s true nature, therefore when the meditator comes out of the meditation, they are once again faced with their vasanas, and usually the act of meditation itself has reinforced the idea of doership.
Karen: Or are they aware of Mysterious Energies, who rule the world according to The Plan? (Since consciousness is One, I don’t think so.) ☺ Is there a Plan we follow? Does our subtle body evolve according to a plan? If so, how can we know it?
Sundari: I am happy you put a smiley face. Again, there is no plan. There is only awareness and it does not evolve. As awareness, you, are the knower, or witness, of the one who thinks it knows, i.e. the jiva/ego/mind. You will know the self when ignorance of your nature is removed. Awareness is that which is always present, unchanging, whole and complete. It requires nothing to know itself because it is self-knowing.
If you take the world to be real, then there seems to be a plan. You can say that it is Isvara’s plan. But “plan” is not a good word. There is an order to things. That is all. This makes purposeful work possible. I suppose this teacher thinks she knows what this plan is. But nobody knows the plan, because there is no actual plan. People who do not know reality want to think that reality should be a certain way, that it should make sense according to their beliefs. Some imagine that it is all evolving toward the light, and some imagine that it is all evolving into the fires of hell. Things are. They don’t mean anything. The sun goes up and the sun goes down and nothing changes. We say forget about the Cosmic Plan, the Cosmic Fires and the Hierarchies, and know yourself. There is joy only in self-knowledge.
Karen: I hope you or Ramji can answer my question and/or tell me where I can find answers to this.
Sundari: I hope this helped.
~ Namaste, Sundari