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Sally: Hi, Ram and Sundari. I have a question which has been sitting with me for a while and I’m not clear about the answer.
You said, Ram, that when you are sleeping that it is sometimes a pain because you can see the body sleeping.
Ram: Yes. It means that there is a desire in me to sleep and not to witness sleep.
Sally: So… reflected awareness on the subtle body is the doer.
Sally: Pure awareness is self-knowing.
Sally: When ignorance goes, do you need the senses to experience life? I realise that this perhaps can be answered on two levels, relative (yes, to experience objects) and pure awareness (no).
Sally: When you see James carrying on in a funny way (or similar words used by you) is this awareness not thinking, just witnessing?
Ram: Yes. I am awareness irrespective of the James-thought. There is no actual James. James is just a name that actually refers to me, awareness, but in terms of the relative world seems to refer to a body and mind that apparently is experienced and is experiencing various objects.
Sally: There have been times when simple and sometimes profound shifts have happened here but I never knew the nitty-gritty to figure it out clearly afterwards, except to see (it was more of a knowingness) very clearly that it was me. Next time I will grab myself by the tail, boot ignorance out of the way and there will be no way for ignorance to return! I’m in training. I recommend the Ram DVD vasana!
Ram: Who will grab you by the tail and boot ignorance out? I think you should let go of the idea of “shifts” and concentrate your thinking on the one to whom the shifts occur. That one – awareness – is present now observing the apparent Sally-person read these words. It is the knower of the shifts. Liberation is not for the grabber-booter – it is liberation from Sally. It is just knowledge. When you – awareness – “gets it” you understand that there is actually no Sally-person to do the grabbing or the booting. There is no one there to be in training. Grabbing, booting, training are just ideas appearing in you. They are keeping the idea that you are a Sally-doer alive when there is no Sally-doer to keep alive. Well, there is because you believe there is, but that is all. I suggest that you think “I am not the grabber-booter. I am the knower of the grabber-booter-thought. I am the one that knows Sally is ignorant. It is fine that she is ignorant.” This is what I meant about observing the James-thought and the behaviors associated with it. It is just a thought. James is not enlightened. Sally, James, ignorance, shifts, doing, willing, etc. are all just objects appearing in you. They have no meaning apart from the meaning you ascribe to them. Do you really care if Sally grabs or boots?
If she grabs and boots ignorance, and something “shifts,” that it not the end of it.
She will just find something else to grab and boot and shift. That is what that samskara does. It grabs, it boots, it shifts. Taking the position of Sally is ultimately self-defeating. Take the position of awareness. Start with the idea “I am awareness. I am already enlightened. I cannot grab because I have no hands. I cannot boot because I have no feet. I cannot shift because there is nowhere to shift to. I know the Sally-thought. I observe the ignorance-thought.” The grabbing-the-tail metaphor is very apt in this case because the dog never grabs the tail. There is no tail to grab. Ignorance is not something you grab. It is something you understand. It is ignorance to think you are a grabber-booter, that there is something to grab or boot. It is hard to understand this because you have been thinking you are Sally for a long time. It is a habit. Now we are asking you to see that you are the awareness – the knowingness – of Sally. Asking “Sally” to do this is liking asking someone not to scratch an itch. The hand automatically goes there.
These were not energetic experiences. Lucky are those who never get them!
Sally: I know you’re busy. I can talk to you in India about this. Just wanted to get it down.
Much love to you both. The DVD character is about to be flesh. If I point the remote at you, forgive me!!!
Ram: Yes, we can have a chat about it when you come.
~ Much love Ram