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Vasanas in the Dream State
Derek: Hi – it’s me again! ☺
I recently read something by Dayananda that I am having trouble assimilating as knowledge, and I was hoping you could expand upon how this works (and I do appreciate this pertains to mithya). He says: “So the senses in the dream [state] are created by the jiva and not by Isvara as in the waking [state].”
Does this have anything to do with the interaction of the three bodies at work? In the waking state the gross body is sensing its external surroundings (and working with the subtle and causal bodies to interact), whereas in dream the senses are only working through a combination of the subtle and causal bodies. Are the senses only controlled by Isvara in the waking state because of the apparent world Isvara puts in front of “us,” whereas in dream state everything is internalized by the jiva? I understand his statement, but I am having trouble, through investigation, to find the truth in it and accept it as knowledge.
~ Thanks and much love, Derek
Sundari: Hello, Derek. My sincere apologies for the long delay in replying to this very interesting inquiry of yours. It arrived when I was in the middle of packing up the last of my things in South Africa, spending time with my daughter and packing to leave for Spain.
It is such a good question and a tough one because it is so subtle. What Dayananda is referring to is the pratibasika state, the dream, or subjective state or reality, i.e. jiva srsti. This is not created directly by Isvara in that it is the interpreted reality of the jiva. In the dream state (whether awake or asleep) the vasanas are influencing how reality is interpreted by the jiva and Isvara is providing the raw material for the interpretation, but not the interpretation itself. Of course ultimately it is all Isvara, but to get to that understanding the jiva has to understand what it is responsible for, so that it can be free of the jiva.
Interestingly, we have just had this situation with an inquirer who has created an incredibly involved “reality” around her sexual abuse, involving a complex set of characters and events, which is all purely subjective and a total projection in order to avoid the real issue, which is fear, i.e. tamas/rajas, projection/denial. There is no difference between this and the dream state. This is called “the waking aspect of the dream state.”
I hope this helps!
~ Much love to you, Sundari