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Tim: Hi, Sundari. You are definitely a very interesting soul, that is for sure.
Sundari: Ah, well, aren’t we all!
Tim: I share your connection to the natural world, though I don’t have the in-built intuitive knowing that you do, or certainly nowhere near to the same extent. That said, when I hear natural wisdom, I generally recognise it. I am attracted to herbal and natural healing and nutritional supplements (though it isn’t always easy to get good ones, but I managed to find some fantastic companies), and recently got interested in Ayurveda and Chinese Medicine but put it on the back burner for Vedanta. To borrow a line from Conversations with God, natural wisdom is in our DNA – our Divine Natural Awareness, but unfortunately most people can’t or don’t access it.
Sundari: Yes, so strange, but of course the self always knows itself, even though it is looking through eyes conditioned by ignorance. I have been interested in nutrition and health for decades. My daughter is a nutritionist and lifestyle coach. We have lived in optimal health with optimal nutrition most of our lives. My Italian background primed me for healthy eating habits, and my indigenous inclinations towards a natural and common-sense lifestyle.
Tim: Despite my comments on my fellow humans, I have a growing ability to see everyone as the self, and in all honesty I am probably more respectful, polite and friendly to others than most people. And I largely enjoy my colleagues at work. Realising that everyone is guna/vasana-driven and suffering under the spell of ignorance really takes the sting out of dealing with them. I actually think it is good for me to be exposed to people because probably nothing else in daily life will test my self knowledge as thoroughly. But I will always be reclusive in my personal life.
Sundari: Yes, it is so true. Most people are just walking vasanas, totally unconscious. If they could be different, they would be. But they are like automatons, and can’t help it. We have great compassion for samsaris as we know how painful it is to be locked into that reality. When you know you are the self, “your” personal life remains true to your nature, even though you are no longer identified with the person. “The world” or Isvara’s creation continues as it always does, but you are no longer in the world because the world is in you. Self-knowledge, if it has gained a foothold in the mind, will transform it and vision automatically becomes non-dual. Still, it is refreshing and liberating to know that there is no need to try and be different, or behave in any “special way” as a jiva or towards other jivas. If you feel cranky and not particularly inclined to the milk of human kindness at any given time, well – that is simply observed with interest, without breaking dharma or causing injury to yourself or “others.” We cannot be any different to the way Isvara made us, so no point in faking it by trying to be “good” or pleasing others. We can dissolve binding vasanas that cause suffering to ourselves or others though, so in this way we change the way the mind is conditioned by Isvara.
Tim: I checked out the South African lion guy – TOTAL LEGEND. What a great man. The connection he had with them was Timning. I’d love to be able to hang with them like that. A colleague just came back from Thailand where she got to play with tigers at one of the zoos there; that would be so cool too.
~ My love to you both, Tim
Sundari: Yes, totally agree! So sad to think that in a few decades there could be no more lions, other than in zoos!
~ Until then, much love to you, Sundari